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[00:00:07] Welcome to the Daughters of Change podcast. I'm your host. Solar. Each week we'll be bringing you stories from around the globe of the women and girls who are changing the world, each in their own unique way.
[00:00:30] Hi, everybody, and welcome to another Daughter of Change podcast, and today we're here in the studio with the amazing Jodie Flynn. Hi, Jodie.
[00:00:40] Bree, so good to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
[00:00:43] Yeah, I'm excited. So I was saying to Ted, our producer and to Jodie earlier, that it's really sort of poetic to be interviewing Jodi today because the first podcast I ever was interviewed on or had anything to do with was Jodi's podcast, Women Taking the Lead. So this is this is fitting to have her here with the sort of the roles reversed coming full circle. We're coming full circle. So before we get started, Jodi, I just want to read a short bio so people know who we have sitting in the chair here with this daughter, Achange, who goes out there, make shit happen on a daily basis.
[00:01:24] So Jodi Flin of Women Taking the Lead is an executive leadership coach, podcaster, author, speaker and workshop facilitator for people leaders. She works with women who are a high performance but may lack confidence, are at risk for burnout or may want to achieve that next big goal or level of leadership without sacrificing their health and happiness. Jodi coaches her clients on how to achieve more while doing less. I like that. She is the host of the critically acclaimed Women Taking the Lead podcast at an Amazon best selling author with her book Accomplish How to Go From Dreaming to Doing. Jodi has spoken at the Massachusetts Conference for Women, the main women's conference podcast movement, and the Agents of Change Digital Marketing Conference. She is the incoming president for the board of the Maine Women's Conference and has been featured at Entrepreneur and Forbes magazine. You can find out more about Jodi at Women taking the Lead. Dot com and we'll make sure all of that's the show notes. And we'll talk more about how you can get touch with Jodi later as well.
[00:02:32] So, Jodi, tell us how how is it that you got started working with type-A women?
[00:02:41] That's a great question. It was an evolution. It did not happen right away.
[00:02:46] It's not like as a little girl, I heard about type A people and was like, that's my mission and that's what I'm going to do.
[00:02:53] You know, it's just living life and just having experiences. And I started my coaching business in 2010 and I was coaching men and women and, you know, around business and careers. And that wasn't even what I initially was going to coach people around. I was going to be more of a life coach. But then I realized what people were asking of me and what I was really good at was the areas of leadership and self leadership. So that's how I got started. And over time, you just become aware of who you enjoy working with, who you're really good at helping. And then in 2015. So nearly five years after I started my business, I started my podcast. And it was within a year of launching my podcast that I started to take a look at who was hiring me, because if it was it was after the podcast that I had the experience for the first time that people were hiring me. Cold like without really knowing me previously, not being introduced by someone we know in common. They just were listening to my podcast, research me and wanted to work with me. And I really enjoyed working with those women in particular, as well as some clients I had had over the years. And so I took a look at, well, what do all these women have in common? You know that they are my most enjoyable clients.
[00:04:16] And the characteristics of all of these women that they had in common. When I looked at it, I was like, oh, my gosh, that's the summation of a type-A person. Right. They were ambitious. They were go getters. They were hardworking. They were focused on the goals. They were capable and talented. And, you know, all of that, all like that great stuff. It's just some of their tendencies were getting in the way. They weren't setting boundaries. They were so focused on the goal that they were putting other areas of their life on the backburner. You know, a lot of people, when they start their businesses, they have this worry of like, oh, no, how am I going to find clients or they start a business thinking I'm gonna have so much free time. But with these women, what ended up happening was they started their business and they were just overloaded. You know, they had plenty of work coming their way and they were getting burnt out. You know, and they weren't prioritizing themselves and, you know, amongst other things. And, you know, so that was it for me was like that review. And it's been true since then. And I continue to review my favorite clients and the ones I'm able to help the best to really narrow down. And focus on, you know, the people I can help the best.
[00:05:33] So that's so that's interesting. They it's like you built it and they came like, exactly who was the match for your style, for what you're passionate about.
[00:05:42] And that's just it's really interesting how that happens, right? Because when you start something, oftentimes you have a vision of what it's going to be. But it doesn't always. It doesn't always turn out exactly the way that you envisioned when you started it.
[00:05:59] Oh, right. Yeah. And it took almost five years, five, six years before I hit on. OK. This is this is my person. You know, this is who I meant to work with. So to some extent, there was a. OK, I built this. But that to some extent there was also. And I showed up and I started talking about what was important to me. And I was focusing on things that I knew I could help with, like I could. And at times in my business fell into the trap of, you know, trying to be a traditional business coach. You know, looking at Parnell's, Nel's and business models and the hiring and the firing and that sort of thing. But that's not my zone of genius. I can certainly talk about it and be helpful to somebody around those topics.
[00:06:42] But the areas where I was on that I would describe as my zone of genius, where self-awareness, communication, relationship, building like, you know, bringing your best forward, reducing stress so that you're operating at optimal. And when I help a woman and, you know, some men there are and then hire me, too. But primarily women. When I help a woman get to that place like who she is as a leader and a business person or professional just skyrockets. And then she's going gangbusters and achieving so much without tons of effort and strife and struggle.
[00:07:23] Yeah. And I can attest to that because Jodi coached me. And and I say that because I'm not somebody of a woman of a certain age. And I've got somebody that typically will look to coaches because I feel like I've been there. I've done that. I've seen a lot.
[00:07:38] But Jodi, you I have to vouch for that. You really you brought me out of the doldrums. I remember I was like, oh, my God, what do I do?
[00:07:45] Well, I do this. Yeah. I'm so tired.
[00:07:48] Yeah, I was excited because we worked so hard, you know, trying to get, you know, when you were trying to get daughters of Change off the ground and really get going. And you were doing so many different things. You know, they tried to do that and getting pulled in different directions, not just with your business, but in your personal life. And, you know, and if you remember, one of the first things we started talking about was, well, what are you doing to take care of yourself?
[00:08:12] Absolutely. Yeah. Because my mom, you know, I had an aging mom selling her house. I mean, all of this stuff going on. So it was I just have to vouch for that, because I. I'm somebody that's really sort of selective about if I'll I think a lot of. That's my age, too. Just like, yeah.
[00:08:28] You know, we get wiser. You age out what we want to give our time in and day to.
[00:08:32] Exactly. But boy, I got I've got a so I got to give you kudos on that. And so here's a question that's a little bit not really off topic, but I'm curious because with me, you know, my business is called Daughters of Change. Your business is called Women Taking the lead. Yes. And I've had some interesting reactions to that. It is really hard for men sometimes.
[00:08:55] Is that. Let's say I've been asked, is that anti-Trump? Is that do you hate men?
[00:09:02] Are you against men? Has your Web site a man hating what you like? No, actually, it's not. Tie anything. And I so pro man. Yeah.
[00:09:10] I remember having this conversation with like a longshoreman at a bar. Is like, is that stereotype men? And I go, no, no, actually, I tell this. You know what? I tell you what I do. Tell the stories of the women and girls are changing the world because we got to give you a platform. And the next thing I know, he's like writing, Dad, you've got to talk to my daughter. Right. But do you get. I'm curious. Do you get that? Ever get those questions from women? Because it's called women taking the lead. And and I'm just curious as to what your experience has been with that.
[00:09:39] Yes. And I will say this when I get the questions that the tone or the demeanor of the asker ranges from joking to actually asking a serious question. I haven't had anyone be aggressive or disrespectful when they're asking the questions. But, you know, the questions are there of, you know, what do you have against men and do you think that's an appropriate name for your business? Given the current environment, you know, I say, well, maybe in 50 years it might be inappropriate, but right now, heck, no. It's very appropriate. One time somebody asked me about just men in general and what they think of me. And I was like, well, you might not want to look at my web, say, you know, because I hadn't even said my business name at that point. And they were like, well, persay. And they were just like. But they knew the work that I did. And so they were they were like, why is it a man bashing Web site? I was like. And I took and it was a serious question. Right. And so I took it seriously and I thought about it. And I was like, you know, I don't mention men that much on my Web site, but when I do, it's pro men. It's about partnership. It's about the need to work together. Right. Because you and I have talked about this before, too. There are a lot of changes that need to be made, but it's not about women doing it all on their own. These are changes that I think men are craving to. And that's the impression I get when I have a very serious conversation about what's going on in the culture in this society. Men are also very concerned that one that, you know, women are having these difficulties. They don't want them to have these difficulties.
[00:11:19] And also, there is also a backlash for men to that that men's roles are also have also been very rigid as well. So if we keep women in a certain box in a certain way of doing things, then men are kept in a box in a certain way of doing things. And I think men are also craving the opportunity to kind of explore well. And they are also concerned about the way they're being perceived. Absolutely. As well. You know that, you know, I have brothers, I have male friends, fathers.
[00:11:50] And, you know, they're also like, I'm I'm not a perpetrator. I. Right. Right.
[00:11:57] But like there there is this concern among men that they're being perceived as is aggressors or oppressors and that sort of thing. And I don't think that's fair to men at all, because there have been you know, there's stories about all sorts of things happening. But I could tell just as many stories of the men in my life, probably more of men who've given me a hand up and an opportunity and mentored me and and all of that. Good stuff. So yet by businesses, women taken the lead. And yours is Sartor's of change. But I know for a fact that we're absolutely pro men.
[00:12:36] It's just it's it's funny. It's just really interesting almost. I find at times I you know, I've tried not to be apologetic about it. I actually had somebody say to me who was talking to me about business, well, you know, you're cutting off half of the market. Now, I'm like, well, you know, Spanx isn't for men. Well, I mean, someone may. But we're Spanx.
[00:12:56] Hey, listen, I've doubt you want to wear Spanx. That's cool. But I'm just here. Yes. I said, like, I'm OK if I get like 5 percent of the women's market in the world. I think I'm good at this. But it is interesting the conversation. So I think it's good that it brings up the conversations so we can have the conversations. But I also feel like there is a reason that now women are putting their voices out there and hopefully in a constructive and a and a and inclusive way. Yes.
[00:13:22] And I don't know about you at this point, too, but I see it happening in the future. About 30 percent of my clientele is men. You know, so it's not as if I'm like, no, I'm only helping women. I'm only for women. But it's a particular type of man that I coach. And it has nothing to do with how I market to him because I'm not marketing to him. It's the man who approaches me and says, look, all the things you talk about that you help your clients with. That's what I need help with. But I'm not a woman. Will you coach me? And that right there, that is my client, right? That is my male client. Right. He's open minded. He's willing. He doesn't care that my business name is called Women Taking the Lead. He knows I can help him and he is approaching me, you know, for for that help.
[00:14:08] You know, so, you know, it's interesting because, yes, Spanx are designed for women, but men buy them, too. Right. Yeah. It's not about cutting anybody out.
[00:14:18] It's about being very clear for the people that, you know, absolutely need your help. Right.
[00:14:24] That you are there for them in your lot of the. The women listening and the men love the people listening out there. You know, they're hearing stories and probably themselves are are baby going after a dream or pursuing something that's making change in the world or they're interested in that. So maybe they're in the midst of starting something, whether it's a for profit with a social mission or or whether they're doing a nonprofit or something on the side. And. Your your whole premise of from dreaming to doing so, we probably have people in all at all areas are all phases of that from sitting here right now thinking about what they'd love to be doing to actually starting it. Or maybe in the thick of it.
[00:15:07] What are some of the the the challenges that you see people facing as they're trying to take their dream to the next place? Yes.
[00:15:20] Well, the focus in my business is self-awareness, especially in regards to stress. What your triggers are and what your reactions to stress are. And that also ties in to the tendencies of the type-A women I work with.
[00:15:38] So it's about knowing.
[00:15:41] Well, let me say say it this way. You have a goal. You're on track for that goal, whatever part of the process you're in. And then something happens and you either find yourself shutting down or overreacting or, you know, just making do. Tolerating that sort of thing. You know, you've been taken off track. You know, you're not as engaged and enthusiastic and productive and active as you are before whatever that thing was happened.
[00:16:14] And a lot of us think that thing.
[00:16:17] That's what the problem is. But what we don't realize is the real problem is, is how we reacted to that thing. Bingo. Yes. And so I'm helping my clients become aware of whatever those things are. Just be aware of them. Those are your things, you know, and there are sometimes opportunities to change them, get rid of them, or primarily change your perspective around those things. So those things don't take you off track. Because I'll tell you, some of the most successful people I know. It's not that they don't have obstacles like life happens to everybody. Nobody gets out of that life happens scenario. But the people who are very successful and also very how do I want to say this? They just tend to be more positive, more optimistic, or at the very least, they're like, alright, this is happening. Let's what are we going to do about it and how how are we going to address this? It's because they don't let those things bring them down for long. Right. We all have human reactions. We might go, oh, man, or we make get mad, you know, instantly. But it's how quickly can you manage that? Let it go and get back to being who you are, because stress takes us away from who we are at our core. Right. Then we're just responding. We're protecting ourselves. We're being defensive about whatever's happening so quickly. We can let that go and just get back to who we really are and what we're trying to accomplish, the quicker we'll achieve our goals. So if you're somebody who either can't even get to the past, the concept phase, or you've started, but you feel like the progress is so slow or you got snagged, I would take a look at, well, what is causing you stress? Like what is bringing you down either like causing you to shut down or overreact. Cause if you can address those things, you can get back on track.
[00:18:20] So that that's actually really that's great advice because it's something that's probably almost subconscious. Oh, yeah. You know, if somebody has to point that out to you, like if somebody has a point, what you just said, if some is a point that out while you're in the midst of something like that happening, it it could really take you down a path. Without even realizing that there's that if you'd be good, attitude change can help things, look at the solution instead of the problem, right?
[00:18:45] Yeah. One of them the easiest examples to give is like somebody cuts you off in traffic, right? Most we don't even think about how we respond. We respond in the way that we believe is absolutely appropriate in that regard. Now, for some people, that might be to feel like, oh, man, like the world's against me. Look at this is happening to for other people. It might be you jerks or even worse. Right.
[00:19:09] Like, I can't stand it. People are people are jerks. Right.
[00:19:14] But those those are just reactions.
[00:19:17] And you have a choice. And how you respond, you can actually retrain yourself to respond differently in a situation like that. Now, is someone cutting somebody else off in traffic? A great thing? No, probably not a little bit dangerous. Right. But since you don't know why that person is driving that way and from your car, you can't change their behavior. Right. You don't have any influence over that person. Probably one of the best and most productive things you can do is let it go. So what attitude or perspective can you bring forward that would help you let it go? And I know myself and and some other people will use, you know, you just make stuff up Usenet. You don't know what's going on for that person. So make something up that helps you. And I'll say something like, oh, they're trying to get a sick relative or child to the hospital or it's a woman in labor or, you know, they're going to see their parent who's dying in the hospital. Right. Something that would absolutely allow me to forgive them, you know, and allow for that behavior. Because, I mean, let's be honest. When you're sitting in your car and somebody just cut you off in traffic, like if you decide to get pissed off and let that bother you for the next however long. Five minutes, ten minutes, half an hour, hour. If you're thinking about it, at the end of the day, you know, like what? To what purpose? And all it did was drain your energy and take your focus away from things that were actually important.
[00:20:50] That's a really good example, too, especially with all the road rage we see. Right. And it's so easy to go there. Right. And what are so, Judy, what are their common obstacles that you see for type-A women or I know that you we were talking about.
[00:21:03] Was it a e-book that you recently read? You were talking about some of the interesting things that might be more or less common for women than for men.
[00:21:12] But there were there were sort of things that hold leaders back. Yes. You talk a little bit about that. That was fascinating.
[00:21:17] Let me give you some background, too, because I'm gonna recommend this book to everybody listening right now. In the book is called How Women Rise. And it was co-authored by Sally Hegel's Scn, who's kind of the lead author in the book, and also Marshall Goldsmith, who is her business partner now, Marshall Goldsmith. Years and years ago wrote a book called What Got You Here Won't Get You There. And it was 20 things that hold leaders back from getting to the next level. So he identified behavior patterns and attitudes and things of that nature that hold leaders back. And in how women rise, they tell the story of how. Like the book was tremendously successful. And it's a wonderful leadership book. I would also recommend that book to anybody. And I've read it myself and loved it.
[00:22:10] But when Marshall took that book into action and started doing workshops and working with companies and clients, what he found was that about four of those things that hold leaders back didn't apply to women. And in fact, it was the ex- exact opposite for women. So one example I give you, Mary and I'll share with your audience is in Marshall's book. What got you here? Won't get you there. One of the things that will hold a leader back is taking credit for work that is not their own right. And we hear about this in organizations where the boss, like you did something. And then in a meeting, your boss talks about it but doesn't give you credit for it. So it's implied that he did it. And, you know, and takes credit for what you did. Women, in fact, will do the exact opposite. They will give their team all of the credit and they'll never mention anything that they did to contribute to the project. And so people get the impression that they're not doing that much.
[00:23:20] That's that's scarily accurate and fascinating. Mm hmm.
[00:23:26] Absolutely. And what I also loved about this book, How Women Rises, because it address some of the things that I see and my type-A clients because I I I say I quote. A special kind of type, a woman I type I coach the type, a people pleaser.
[00:23:43] And so they are guilty. I'm raising my head right there. Yes.
[00:23:47] And so when they in the book discussed perfectionism and people pleasing as being big things that hold women back from attaining higher levels of leadership, I like totally had my attention. Now, there was a part of me that was like, OK, I didn't need this book to tell me that this is going on and you know how to identify it and how to overcome it. But it was incredibly validating. And I think sometimes it's useful, even if, you know, you have a certain understanding of a particular topic to hear it articulated in some different ways. So, you know, the perfectionism of, you know, needing everything to be right because you don't want anything to go wrong. And, you know, the other traits of perfection, it now perfectionism also has ripple effects, too, because if you're a perfectionist, it probably also means that you layer your high standards over other people so that they can never meet your standards. So people are constantly a disappointment to you. You're micromanaging them and they feel that way, too, that they can't do anything to please you, that, you know, they don't have any control or license over the work they're doing because you're just going to swoop in and change it.
[00:24:59] You know, which can happen. And also with the perfectionism is is like you spend way too much time, like you burn time and energy in the weeds. Yeah. You know, like like going crazy over small details that ultimately don't make a difference.
[00:25:18] Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm here. You say this, that I'm like. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. You know, it's. I know that one of the things we've talked about the past is how that also can stop you from moving forward or starting something.
[00:25:34] Right. So you have a a project or a goal or something that you want to accomplish. And do you want everything to be perfect before you start or do you want it to be? So can you just talk about that just a little bit? Because that's I think that's a big one for a lot of people.
[00:25:50] Yeah. And let's go back to what we were talking about before. It's a stressor. Right. Like, I can't be critiqued. Like, if I do if it's not perfect, then I'm not good enough.
[00:25:59] Right. So we have to make sure it's almost like we're building this protective wall so that, you know, nobody will see a flaw, you know, and that it's all wonderful. But. If if that's your goal, you're not going to accomplish that much.
[00:26:15] And I know for especially for the for the women and the people who are listening, what I should say, women and men who are listening to this podcast, you you want to do good work in the world like you're on a mission there. There are people who are waiting for you, you know, to start delivering your products, your services and engage them in the good work you want to do. And if you get caught up in like. But there can't be any mistakes. There can't be any flaws. It all has to be correct. You're going to burn a lot. And not only burn a lot of energy, but you're going to prevent, you know, a lot of those people from getting the help that they need.
[00:26:55] So that's actually a really good point, because when you have something that you're trying to do that can be impacting other people, you know, you don't wanna hold yourself back. And I know personally that's something I've really had to let go of. I've I've gotten really good at it now, but I've been I've been do it practicing it now for like four years. Right. So. So before we kind of wind down, there's one other thing I just wanted to kind of circle back around on and so.
[00:27:21] The idea of women not taking credit or or advocating for themselves.
[00:27:29] Right. So how many women do you know can not write their own bio or the about page on their Web site?
[00:27:36] Most of them, most they get sick to their stomach, write it like write down all the awards and accolades and say nice things about them all over somebody else in a house. Absolutely right. To they deserve. Yeah. And they've done good work. Exactly. Does that tie in. Is that just type-A women or is that women in general? I think that that is women in general.
[00:27:57] You know, not all women. Right. There's always a spectrum and, you know, different levels of confidence. But, you know, part of it, I think, is just the conditioning. Right. You'd like it as young girls where we're taught not to brag. You know, don't touch your own horn.
[00:28:16] Right. I dealt with all the time. The boys will like you. Yes. Right. No. What's the other one? I don't know if he likes a bragger.
[00:28:24] And you know, all of that stuff, you know, so, you know, I can speak for myself. And it's not to say my parents never said you did a good job. That was really great. Like they absolutely did. But kind of the the sense in the overall what was really approved of was to do things quietly. Right. Just take care of things like do all the things you do, do wonderful things, bring your talents and your strengths to the forefront, but do it quietly.
[00:28:56] Right. You know, in that that I just remember is something that that's reinforced.
[00:29:02] Don't do something looking for credit.
[00:29:04] Well, behind every good man is a good woman. Let's just hear. How often did we hear that while I heard it growing up? Any that older than you? And it's. And so to me, that's one of the reasons that it is important for us to have.
[00:29:17] Women out there talking and having conversations in a constructive way. But I that's yeah, it is. So it's the conditioning is it's still there.
[00:29:26] That was one of my biggest stumbling blocks as a leader.
[00:29:31] Ah I should say pre be pre leader was because I loved supporting other people to achieve their success. Right. So it's no mistake. I'm a coach.
[00:29:41] Right. Because there's still something I'm very passionate about. And I love doing.
[00:29:46] But I remember one time a leader of US workshop I was doing is like a it was like a long term seminar workshop type thing. He said he stopped and he looked at me and he was you know, we were celebrating somebody who had achieved like a certain milestone within the program. And I had helped them do it. And, you know, and then sudden he turned to me, looked me in the eye and is like, well, when is when is it gonna be your turn to be up here?
[00:30:14] And I was just like Anne Marie.
[00:30:16] I went ice cold and freaked out cause I knew I would have to be very visible and vocal and even say, I want this. I want to achieve this. I want to be a leader. Right. I want people to look at me like I'm a leader. It was so uncomfortable for me and it took a lot of work. You know, I had to. And it's in you know, in the work I did is incorporated into the system I use with my clients now. But I really had to get clear on everything I had to offer as a leader and not just as a support system to somebody else, that I had to be okay for me to take my turn and take the lead.
[00:31:03] Yeah.
[00:31:03] And so you are would be taking the lead. But that you know, that's something I bet that probably ninety eight percent of the women I would say out there can relate to it even if they're not doing that now. There was that point in their life where they had to kind of overcome it. Mm hmm.
[00:31:19] Or I would be surprised. There probably some men, too. But I bet you for most women, there is something that they identify with with that whole conversation we just had, you know. So, Jodi, as we wrap up, because I know you're a very busy person and.
[00:31:39] What is what.
[00:31:41] What is the key piece of advice that you'd like to give the daughters of chage out there who are out there making change or wanting to make change in the world?
[00:31:52] Ok. So it's twofold. And I think for a lot of, you know, the daughters of change who are listening is follow your interests, you know, and your intuition, I think.
[00:32:03] I think they are tied together that the things that really intrigue you and that you're curious about and that you're you know, that you have some passion around. And don't overthink it like the word when I say passion, don't overthink that word. Like the wherever you feel yourself being pulled and drawn, allow it allow it to happen. And also, you know, I wanted to say, you've you read my bio at the beginning, Marie.
[00:32:28] And I know sometimes people are like, oh, like all you've accomplished like but let's put it in perspective. Like that happened over the course of the last nine years. And it all happened by taking baby steps like I. Yes. Set goals that are pretty lofty because I enjoy them and I love a challenge. But day to day, what I'm doing and what goes through my head is what's the next thing I need to do to move this just a little bit further along? That's it. What's the next thing that I'm focused on? Is it an e-mail? Am I writing a proposal? Am I if I'm writing a book? Is it two more pages? Like, what do I need to focus on today? So I. I think sometimes we undervalue the power of a baby step.
[00:33:18] Yeah. That's absolute. Absolutely great advice. Because by the time you take it, a lot of baby steps, you've done one big giant leap. But yeah, it would compound a fire. Yeah.
[00:33:29] Because when you look at the at the goal and if you are a lofty goal setter, which my guess is a lot of women are a lot of people are that are listening to this, have some pretty big ideas and dreams.
[00:33:41] And it can seem daunting when you're at the beach. You know, at the starting gate and you're looking at that. But if you just keep, you know, all of a sudden you look up and you're halfway there. It was so great advice.
[00:33:55] And so, Jody, how do the daughters of Chage out there listening, connected support you? Now, I know you have your book is on Amazon. Let's talk about are the connections you want to make. What are there, you know? Did you tell us how could we how could we help? Jodi fled. Daughter of chage extraordinaire.
[00:34:10] Oh, that's a great question. Well, if anyone you mentioned it earlier, but if anyone wants to find me, my hub is women taken the lead eCom. And that has also all the social media buttons to find me on the various platforms. And you can find my book and my podcast on there right now. I think I I am looking to amplify, you know, my message. So I want to speak at more women's conferences. I would love to get connected to, you know, H.R. directors who just need a little support in supporting their people. I think in my heart is I have a lot of friends who are H.R. directors and I know the pressure that is being put on them to wear a lot of hats and do a lot of things. So I see myself as a supplemental support to H.R. directors. So, yeah, I just want to find opportunities where I can, you know, be in a position to help more women, you know, tackle the perfectionism and the people pleasing and the not setting boundaries and not focusing on yourself so that we can actually do more with less effort.
[00:35:16] That that's a that's a really that's a really, really good answer to that, because I've seen you in action and you're really good.
[00:35:25] So if you know of anybody that, you know, H.R., people that are looking to bring in resources for their companies, if you're running a conference or a workshop or an event, an ad, you might like to see if Jodi is available, you can reach her at women taking the lead dot com. They can find a way to contact you, right.
[00:35:44] It always you know, and they can reach out to me from my email address, which is really simple. It's four letters j o d I at Women taking the lead e-com.
[00:35:54] Ok, so it's Jodi J oh d i at women taking the lead dot com for the e mail. And the Web site is of course, women taking the lead. Dot com will make sure all of that's in the show notes. And Jodi, I want to thank you so much for fitting this in today. It's been really fun and scary. It is to have you across from me and just to see your face.
[00:36:16] So, Maria, I'm so honored you asked me and I want to thank your listeners as well, because I know they're a lot like you. They're awesome. And so I want to thank you for listening along with Marie and I. And I hope this was of tremendous value to you.
[00:36:30] So before we wrap up, Jodi, is there anything that you'd like to offer to the Daughters of Change listenership?
[00:36:37] Oh, yes. Thank you for reminding me. Sorry. I have an exercise that my clients do in my coaching system that is tremendously powerful and also helps to remove stressors from your life. And it's called a tall orations detox. There are hundreds of things in our life that we tolerate all the time. So this exercise will help you start identify those things and also nip away at them, like I said, baby steps.
[00:37:06] So if you go to women taking the lead dot com forward slash toleration s and you enter in the code Marietje at checkout, you'll be able to get that for free.
[00:37:18] So Jody, thank you so much for coming today. And they give for that wonderful, generous offer that you've made to our listeners and we'll have all of that, the show notes.
[00:37:28] So thank you so much for joining us today. Jodi, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for listening to this week's episode of the Daughters of Change podcast. To learn more about today's guest or any of our previous guests, you can visit Daughters of Change dot com forward slash podcast. You can connect with Daughters of Change on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram by searching those platforms for Daughters of Change. If you are a daughter of change yourself and would like to appear on the show, send me an email at Marae at. Daughters of Change dot com. Thanks again for taking the time to listen today. Take care.